Chingona Revolution is hosted by Erika Cruz, a rebel who left a 6-figure tech job to pursue her own unconventional path to success by following her passion that led to her purpose. Every week, Erika will bring out of you that BADASS LATINA through her experiences to overcome self-doubt and family expectations and lead with COURAGE.
If you love when we talk about the four M’s manifestations and tarot cards, this episode is for you. Whether you’re trying to manifest a new life or trying to interpret all the signs you’ve seen around you there is an answer waiting for you. You just have to find it. Today we’re diving deep into all things spirituality and consulting with a professional, Jasmin Alejandrez-Prasad.
Esoteric Esa (Jasmin Alejandrez-Prasad) is a first and second-generation Mexican-Peruvian American Latina who has been advocating the breaking of generational curses, and negative misconceptions in taboo Latinx spiritual subjects such as Brujeria and ancestral reclamation since 2017. As the host of the two-time People’s Choice Award-winning Podcast, Better Work Bitch!, she has championed raising awareness among BIWOC voices in the spiritual realms. Esa is an Astrologer, Certified Reiki Practitioner, and Bruja. Her written work has been published in BuzzFeed PeroLike, Cosmopolitan, Popsugar, HipLatina, MiTu, and Remezcla. As a second-generation psychic tarot reader and intuitive, Esa centers resources for the Latine community that welcomes curiosity while simultaneously exploring authentic embodiment as a means of reconnecting with the intuitive self.
In this week’s episode, we’re speaking to Jasmin on spirituality and how we can manifest our own reality. Jasmin and Erika have been working together for a few years now and she is one of the only people that Erika trusts with her spiritual experiences. Jasmin helps Erika interpret the signs she’s been seeing and how she can use these signs to give her exactly what she wants. Jasmin also explains the bias against spirituality within the Latino community and how you can heal from it if you choose to.
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Erika: Hello, and welcome back to this week’s episode of Chingona Revolution. I’ve been wanting to bring this guest on for quite a while because this individual has had such a profound impact in my life. I first met her at We All Grow in 2019 when I was there as a volunteer. I think I like took a photo for you or something like that.
But I remember just feeling so drawn to her and I didn’t know why. And to give you all just like some context, I grew up in a Catholic family. And then I went to a Christian middle school. So I went from Catholicism to Christianity. And then I went to UC Berkeley and then I was like, forget all religion.
This is horrible. Why, why would we, you know, use religion to manipulate people? And I really got away from just religion and spirituality. And it wasn’t until I started following this individual. who really helped me reconnect with my spirituality and helped to remove fear from spirituality and from tarot cards and different things like that.
So this person is none other than Jasmine, also known as esoteric. Essa, you Jasmine are what I would consider like a spiritual mentor of mine. I don’t think I’ve ever like actually said that to you, but I’ve obviously been a client of yours for a while. I’ve taken your courses. I’m part of your Patreon.
I’ve had a lot of one on one sessions with you, which are greatly, greatly appreciated. I feel like you’ve helped me navigate big shifts in my, in my life. And I’m just so honored to have you on the podcast. So welcome.
Jasmin: Oh, Erica, thank you for your sweet words. I mean, I’m so grateful. We met this lifetime the minute we first connected.
I was like, these are my people. She’s my people, you know, when you just meet people and you’re like, they’re my vibe, you know? Um, and I’m just so grateful for all the spiritual investment you’ve done into yourself. And I love seeing how you reflect that back into our community and your, your coaching community as well.
So equally, so you are doing spiritual work too. So thank you. Oh, thank you.
Erika: So, um, tell us a little bit about yourself for people who don’t know you. I think most of the people in my community follow you as well, but there may be some people who this is their first time hearing about you. So give us the spiel.
Jasmin: Yeah. I’m born and raised in Southern California, grew up out, you know, in the six to six area. Yes. That’s still part of LA County. People are always like six to six. That’s not an area code we know from LA it is. Um, I, you know, grew up in a beautiful family of four, but similar to you. Um, it was a very religious-focused, you know, as a Latina, of course, my dad was.
He ran the household and you know, he had a strong influence, but at a very early age. I Was a very introspective hermit child and I questioned very deeply and thoughtfully and my parents say I was a pain in the butt lovingly because I didn’t mean to, but I was always kind of wanting to contradict the status quo in terms of like how they were running and raising me.
And I always like to say Catholicism didn’t raise me. It was just part of my life, but it was a huge influence. And, um, you know, it’s, I’m a creative, I’m a creative entrepreneur and I just love. Collaborating with like-minded creative people like yourself. And I get so much inspiration with working with women and fems in particular.
So I’m really excited to be here with everybody who’s tuning in. Thank you for listening.
Jasmin: Amazing. So tell us a little bit about you already alluded to this a little bit, but tell us a little bit about your childhood and at what point did you realize. Oh, I’m connected.
Erika: Yeah. So crazy, crazy. You asked this because I was reflecting on this a couple of weeks ago with, um, my dad and I wanted to tell him the first time I saw a ghost cause I had never really.
I shared it with my mom when I was younger, I was in elementary. I want to say it was around six or five. And it was when mi abuela, my great grandma died. And my great-aunt used to live across from. Her house might be so well as house in East LA till this day, till her dying day, you know, my, my great aunt still lived there.
So we used to have to pass by. We call her grandma. I mean, she was my great-grandma. We used to have to pass by great grandma’s house to go visit my aunt and I remember one time we were pulled up. I was in the car with my brother. My mom was like, this is gonna be really fast. I’m gonna get out, give something to your tia.
And I remember turning and looking because my tia’s house, you know, is on this side and right across is my bisabuela’s house. And she was already dead. They had already sold the house to someone else. And I looked to my left and I see her, her spirit on the porch. And I just freaked out. I was terrified.
And my mom got back into the car noticeably. She saw my demeanor change. She’s like, what’s going on? Like, why are you acting fearful? And I said, I think I saw, I think I saw something. There’s. I don’t want to look at grandma’s house. I’m scared, you know? And she’s like, and of course, what do we do?
Immediately we shut it out. She’s like, you’re seeing things. Don’t pay attention to that. That doesn’t exist, you know? So after that, I just started blocking those kinds of things out. So I would say to answer your question, it was in elementary school early on when I was able to see a spirit and notice like.
Hmm, is, you know, when you’re little, you’re like, is this another realm? You weren’t really thinking that, but I knew there was something different about that experience.
Erika: I love that you said it was immediately shut out because while this example is about spirits, I feel like this happens a lot just in our culture in general, right?
When we want to follow our intuition or when we, when we feel something, it’s immediately shut out. And then we almost. I don’t think I’ve ever like shared this with anybody actually, but I remember I must have been six years old or something because my parents were still together and I was in our home that I grew up in.
And I remember seeing like a little boy and a little girl at the end of our hallway and I felt like I was in a different world. freaked out and I ran to the living room and, and then ever since then, I just, I, I shut it out myself. It was like, Oh no, that’s not safe. And I remember just being like a very fearful child, but again, growing up in a Catholic household where it’s such a fear-based.
I mean, and no, no shade to, to religion because I think community and religion can be really helpful for people. But in general, there’s, it’s a very fear-based teaching. So I scared myself out of ever, and I haven’t seen anything since, but I do know that I’m like spiritually connected, but that was the first experience and I’m glad to hear that you also got scared.
Cause I was like, maybe I was just dreaming. Maybe this didn’t actually happen, but thank you for sharing
Erika: that. Yeah. Well, thank you for sharing. Look at this. Dropping the tea today. And you saw two spirits at once. So first of all, that’s overwhelming.
Jasmin: So tell me a little bit about how you began to reconnect to them.
Erika: Yeah. Well, I, I guess you could say I was privileged to have a grandma, um, who’s my mom’s mom, right? So the, the visa, what I saw is my grandma’s mom, right? My great grandma. So my grandma, my mom’s mom was very open about her practice. And she was a tarot reader. She was a psychic, right? A lot of people kind of know this at this point.
So growing up, my mom would allow me to go sleep. My parents would allow me to go sleep over grandma’s house. And that was kind of our little secret time together where, you know, grandma would plant the seeds. She would take me to gem shows. And she’d be like, okay, what crystals do you want? You know, cause she used to sell crystals, right?
She used to, she was an entrepreneur. She would go to farmer’s markets and do tarot readings and sell crystals way before the hype. So I had my grandma to hold space for me, but then when I would come back home, it was kind of like this shame. And this secrecy, because I didn’t want to come back and share it because I knew, right, it wasn’t really cool to do that, I just knew it was bad in some sort of way.
So I had my grandma, um, you know, as early as nine, help support me dig into spirituality, but of course I didn’t know she was doing that. Wow.
Jasmin: And so now I’m just curious if, if your, if your grandmother was so tapped in and connected, was your mom not being her daughter? And like, that must be so interesting to have a grandparent that’s so connected and then maybe, I mean, I’m making assumptions here, I don’t really know this, but.
It was your mom not that supportive of it.
Erika: The dichotomy. My mom wasn’t necessarily like, this is bad. It was fear. Like my mom lived, you know, and I love my mom and I, I want to speak with her to a lot of respect. And she’s grown a lot over this journey of me doing this work, but my mom definitely. is psychic.
She is intuitive. Like she’s told me her experiences, you know, it’s just, it’s always passed down right in that lineage. But my mom lived a very fearful life because my grandma would tell her her experiences. Like my grandma was very open with us. And she told me like, I can’t tell your mom these stories.
So I’m going to tell you these stories. Cause I know you can handle it. My, my girl would be like, Oh, today a demon, you know, kept bothering me and I had to banish it. You know, all these things. things that the normal person would be like, that’s really crazy. Right. Going into that mental health stigma in our Latina culture.
Right. So that’s why it was like, my mom shut it out because she was sitting more in the fear, you know, and she wasn’t really wanting to explore. Yeah, it was safer in the
Jasmin: fear. So talking about the fear, I feel like that’s also what stops a lot of people in our community from tapping into spirituality.
And I always felt safe with you, which is why obviously I’ve taken many of your courses. Um, and especially being part of your Patreon when you do like the pick a card thing. It was like my favorite, right? To just like watch your card pooling. And I’ve always been drawn to cards, but I remember how much my parents shamed cards, right?
You know, that’s like… That’s not good. It’s brujería. And now it’s like we’re almost reclaiming this word of bruja. So it’s so crazy, right? That we’re, it’s, it’s happening where we’re reclaiming it. But I guess with this, this topic of fear, I was in that category as well. And now as I’m sitting in an Airbnb, I could see a tarot deck, one, two, three, uh, Oracle decks, including yours.
Cause I always travel with yours. So now I’m like traveling around with these things, but I was so terrified. So with our community being so afraid, what do you think is that, what do you think they are fearing and how can they overcome that fear if it’s something they want to do?
Erika: Absolutely. I think when it comes from a very religious context, like whether it was Christianity or Catholicism, what’s been passed down to us from our elder generation, our parents, great grandparents, the fear is more so like you’re taught don’t manipulate God’s will.
Right. Cause that’s, that’s what tarot does. That’s what, you know, working with crystals does. That’s what all these divination tools do. It allows you to have foresight, but the foresight is to go inward. It’s less about really predicting the future, even though we can do that, as you know, right. But it’s more about.
Going inward and being able to change God’s will through self awareness, right? Accountability, healing, but the older generation is really fixated on like, we don’t go against whatever God wants us to experience, right? So that’s why it’s demonic because it’s going against God’s word. Does that make sense?
That’s where the fear is. And I think also some of it, um, I know I paused, but let me just add this to it. I think also some of it is like. Even to this day, I still get met with friends and family, college friends, who are terrified of what I do. They don’t agree with it. They still slightly judge me. You know, I don’t hold it against them.
It’s just part of, like, their indoctrination. And we get scared. Of meeting people who are intuitive or empaths or psychics because you can’t hide the shadow from them. We can pick up on when you’re being ingenuine, when you’re being inauthentic, right? So when people want to mask things, right, when they want to be a false sense of self with you, you’re a threat to them.
Yeah, wow. That hits, right? That hits. It
Jasmin: does. And I think the more you get into this work… You can’t unsee what people’s true colors are, and it requires you to shed old relationships that no longer fit where you’re going, and that’s really difficult as well, but I feel like the more in tune to my spirituality I get, I just don’t have the patience for, I can be in a physical space and say, oh, this isn’t the vibration I want to be in, I’m ready to go.
Erika: Mhm. Yeah. And it also requires this like fine balance of discernment of like really applying the practice of empathy, right? I am empathetic to that person because either they don’t know any better or you know, like they don’t want to change. So I can understand the fear why they’re hesitant towards the change, right?
But then it’s also the fine balance of like you said, as you ascend, Right. As you get ascended with yourself, meaning just deeper, more authentic with yourself, you do have to let relationships go. And it’s sad. Like I’m in a place in my life right now, Erica, where, you know, it is a little bit lonely. I have to self isolate quite a bit, you know, because it’s just like, it’s overwhelming because a lot of people are so Transcribed by https: otter.
ai stuck in not doing the work they’re so stuck in the matrix. Right? And so as people who are empathetic and intuitive, it can be a lot on our spirits. It’s a little bit disheartening, right? Especially when you’re coming from a very vulnerable, authentic, loving place, and you meet people who aren’t able to meet you in that space, it bashes your spirit.
And then you need to take time to repair that right to regenerate. So, you know, it’s just like when people say the higher you get to climbing success, the more. deeper with yourself and spiritual you get and you climb that it gets lonely just like they say when you get to the top it can be a lonely place yeah yeah because not everyone’s meant to be there in that frequency with you
And you know, you and I’ve talked about this, but entrepreneurship is one of the biggest spiritual journeys you will ever go on.
Erika: Absolutely. Absolutely. A thousand percent. The best one though. The best one. I encourage everybody to be an entrepreneur, even if it’s like a side hustle, just start that. Because you learn so much.
Jasmin: Yeah. You can’t run from the shadows. It’s literally, uh, entrepreneurship is like a little flashlight. That’s like, Oh, here’s an insecurity that you get to address.
Erika: Absolutely. It teaches you a lot about your faith and it goes back to again, your self confidence, like how much do you really believe you’re worthy?
How much do you really trust yourself? I think entrepreneurship for me really exposed my lack of self trust and how to
Jasmin: deal with it. Same for me. It’s also helped me see that. It’s okay to make decisions, even if they’re not the right ones. Like, cause I struggled with indecisiveness for so long and I still do to this day, but entrepreneurship has shown me, you make a decision and if it’s the wrong one, you make a new decision, right?
But like the sooner you make a decision, the sooner you can make another decision.
Erika: Yeah. Absolutely. Just don’t get stuck. Yes.
Jasmin: So I remember in one of the classes I took of yours, you talked about numerology and how this was something that was in the Bible and it was then removed. Can you tell us a little bit about that and what, first tell us what numerology is and then the, what you mentioned about the Bible.
Erika: Mm hmm. Numerology is a form of esotericism and esoteric simply translates to information that a small part of population are exposed to, right? It’s a very niche form of information. So numerology is a language, just like money is a language, numbers are a language. And numerology operates off of… Energy.
Every number has a frequency and an energy that you can then translate into, right? It’s a vibration that you can co create with just like with your astro chart and in the Bible, you know back in the day They had no choice but to study energies the planets like astrology and crystals, you know All that was in the Bible right eclipses all of that And so what you’re referencing is in the Bible and you know, I’m not you know a Bible expert here But there is a part in the Bible that’s called the Gnostics that’s been removed from the Bible because the Gnostics has all of the occultism of numerology and crystals that was first integrated when the Bible came to be, but they removed that as a way to keep controlling that fear narrative of don’t work with things like numerology that’s esoteric, right?
Because It’s another way that people can liberate through this knowledge. So what do they want to do sometimes to keep us in order, right? To abide by authority, you have to drive the narrative of fear. Wow.
It’s wild. It’s like, just do a Google search. It’s there, you know, like you’re going to go down a rabbit hole. It’s so interesting.
Jasmin: Yes. That is crazy. Okay. So what is the number 33 mean? I’m asking because I just turned 33 and then the Airbnb I ended up at is 333. I won’t give the number, the name of the street I’m on,
Jasmin: the backside of this is third Avenue. So I was like, wait, what? There’s just like so many threes. And then, um, I, when I arrived, I made like my first purchase and it was 33. And then, and then whenever I went to like, just, I took some clients to dinner and our total was 99. And I was like, this is insane.
Erika: This is eerie. This is eerie at this point. Right? Like, so what Erica’s explaining, we call that Erica knows this, but for those who aren’t familiar, we don’t call that coincidence. We call that synchronicity. Synchronicity is another energetic language that. Just lets you know you’re on the frequency of those of those synchronicities.
So in that case, what is 333 mean? That is the number of creativity manifestation in the Bible. They call that the Holy Trinity, the triangle, right? That’s the most powerful form of sacred geometry we could use is the triangle. So You’re 33. We like to joke and say that you’re in your Jesus year because Jesus passed away at 33.
I know, but 33 is actually a master number and 333 is in that context. So what does that mean? It means that it’s a heightened sense of manifesting. And with three, that means you have potential to be more creative to tap into. Also, that’s the, that’s the realm of the ascended masters. In, in, um, number of frequencies and ascended masters are like different spiritual guides, spirit beings.
Have you connected with an ascended master as a spirit guide yet? Have you met one yet that you know of? Um, so you told
Jasmin: me, wait, an ascended master? That’s not an archangel then that would be like Jesus,
Erika: Buddha, Juan. Yeah. Um, you know, St. Germain. So ascended masters are people who essentially walked the earth.
They reached enlightenment. So they, they don’t have a purpose to incarnate, right? Cause they’ve reached enlightenment. So now they’re part of consciousness where they can help support the, the collective, the greater good. You know, they don’t have a hidden agenda. So
Jasmin: yesterday when I was meditating, I, for the first time saw this guide come up.
Um, it was a man with a white vest. Oh,
Erika: oh, that’s so interesting. Did he feel galactic and like spacey or like cosmic? He felt,
Jasmin: it was definitely just like a reflection of light. This is just in a meditation from you two. Yeah.
Erika: Yeah. Yeah. So there’s what’s called the Galactic Federation. And they’re star people and who you met sounds like one of the leaders of the Galactic Federation who is an Ascended Master.
So we’ll have to find out more about that. Oh, well that’s probably why I asked, right? And I was
Jasmin: like, I don’t know who this person is and I’m not going to force it. But what I have, what I learned through working with you and your, and your courses is we have like spirit animals, spirit guides, and some of the spirit animals are hummingbirds.
Hummingbirds come up whenever. They affirm, like, it’s a yes, or everything’s going to be okay. So usually I’m in the middle of freaking out about something, and then a hummingbird will come, and it’s this confirmation, and that’s happened over the last few years. It even happened when I was speaking at We All Grow, and I was like, maybe I just don’t want to do this, and I’ll cancel.
I was already there! And I was like, I don’t know if I want to do this! And then I was walking back to my room and a hummingbird just came up and I captured a video of it because it came up to the in front of me and you know sometimes they just like linger in the sky and then they take off it did that yeah and it was it was beautiful and then lately I’ve also been seeing a black jaguar a lot every time I’m in I’m afraid and it’s almost like this is energy.
So I’ve been seeing it in my dreams and then I’ve been seeing it in my meditations. And then the other day I had a dream with a lot of snakes, which as we know, religion shows us that teaches us that that’s something to be afraid of. And in my dream, I remember being terrified, but then. The snake didn’t do anything to me and then it started to move up and then like around me and I was like, is this some kundalini stuff?
Cause I know nothing about kundalini, but all I know is the snake.
Erika: Yes. Yes. You are being activated by that serpent energy. Absolutely. Okay.
Jasmin: And then I did a meditation the next day cause I was like a little bit freaked out and I, during this meditation, I heard follow the serpent. Which is crazy because I would never call the snake, I would never call
Erika: the snake a serpent.
And I just said, and I just said serpentine energy, right? So there we go. There we go. Clear as day, y’all. This is why it helps to talk it through with friends, right? And spiritual community because you can unlock things together better than Yeah,
Jasmin: yeah, definitely. I can’t go talk to just anybody about this.
Jasmin: Okay. So, um, we talked about numerology, spirit guides, how do people find their spirit guides?
Erika: Yeah. I like to think that you’ve been connected with your spirit guides at an early age and particularly the animal guides, meaning like where they’re sharing animals that you had an affinity for early on.
Like for me, I always loved horses. I always told my mom I wanted a horse, you know, I wanted to have my own horse in a stable. Like I always felt connected to them. And lo and behold, later on, years later, I get a reading from someone and they tell me horses are one of my spirit animals. So I think it. It starts with your childhood, your inner child, doing inner child work, honestly, helps you unlock so many things in your spiritual journey, so many of your powers, your skills, your gifts.
So go back to what were the things you were naturally curious or gravitating to as a child? Even your hobbies, your passions, what did you like reading about? You know, because all of that, when you’re a child, you’re channeling your higher self very easily. Right. Cause you’re still uninfluenced at that point.
Right. So I like to say, go back to recalling childhood. I know some people are like, well, I blocked that out. It’s so repressed. It’s so suppressed. Well, then you can just do a meditation, like what Erica was talking about and ask your spirit guides. Like, I’m ready to meet you. I’m ready to connect. Start showing my everyday life, right?
Who is the spirit guide? And if you’re seeing hummingbirds, then it’s the hummingbird, right? If you’re seeing, you know, I don’t know, bunnies, like, you know, we don’t get to choose it. People are like, oh man, I got an ant. It’s like, yeah, like we don’t choose our spirit guys. Like, you know, respect all animals in the animal kingdom.
They all have a very valuable message and magic.
Jasmin: So how do you go about learning all these things? I mean, there’s, I, do you learn mainly through your intuition? Um, cause a hummingbird can mean one thing to me and something else to somebody else, right?
Erika: Okay. Absolutely. And I think when you’re first starting this journey and you’re like, Oh, I don’t really know my intuition.
I don’t know how to unpack this or process it. So like, again, how do you go about learning that? I definitely recommend you seek out like, you know, advisors, practitioners, but at the same time. Don’t put so much emphasis on like what esoteric SS is, right? Like if Erica’s feeling the hummingbird means this and what esoteric SS said didn’t really align or resonate, then that’s valid.
Like, don’t shut down your own intonation in the process, right? Because sometimes we give a lot, again, we give a lot of external power to people who we view as in positions of authority, right? And then we block ourselves back out again. I think people get a little bit tripped up on that. So, you know, I think it’s also a matter of Um, deciphering like these spiritual messages is just a matter of reconnecting with how honest or how inauthentic are you with yourself?
It just goes back to self trust, right? And if you’re not listening to your body, you’re not making time for yourself. You don’t know how to trust yourself. You don’t know how to love yourself. self love, then you’re not going to be able to unpack all these beautiful messages from the universe. You have to start rebuilding your relationship with yourself first.
And again, that goes back to, I’m a big advocate doing your inner child healing work. Like that’s the biggest thing, the big egg you can crack open to everything is that connecting with your inner child.
Jasmin: Yeah. I can attest to this. Because I truly believe that the universe put me back in my childhood room for three years so that I could work on my one child.
Erika: Yeah! Absolutely. Absolutely. Because, you know, in that room, that’s probably where you had all those dreams and all those downloads, right? And you probably journaled. Did you journal when you were younger, Erika? Yeah,
Jasmin: and my brother made so much fun of me and, like, would grab the journal and read it. And, of course, I called it a diary at that time, and he just, like, laughed.
But I remember writing poetry. To like help cope during my parents divorce and I’ve never like obviously shared any of that But yeah, and it’s so funny that I’ve been telling like I Lack of trust. I haven’t really trusted myself because I wasn’t the best student when I was in school. So I told myself I wasn’t a good writer even though I journal every day and I’m writing every day, right?
So one of the things I do see myself doing is writing a book of some sort and just doing more and practicing more writing, but it requires that self trust.
Erika: I totally see you writing a book. It’s there. It’s in your life code. It’s there. It’s just waiting to be birthed. You know, that’s, I don’t think there’s any rush.
Like people are like, Oh my God, hurry up and rush and write a book. It has to be this year. It’s like, you don’t have to rush your, your gifts. Like, it’s already manifested in the, in the timeline, like, you don’t have to worry about that happening.
Jasmin: Thank you for saying that. I receive it. So, speaking about manifestation, I know a lot of people are, you know, I, I find that, because we also have free will, right?
So, we have free will, and we could, we could create, we have influence over our life, and we can create our life, but, Sometimes when we come from an oppressed community, it can feel like, Oh, life is happening to us, not for us. How do we empower people to manifest the life that they want and create the life that they want?
Erika: Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of that starts with, you know, this as a coach with, um, getting real and honest and writing down your limiting beliefs. You’re limiting beliefs about you, the way you view yourself and your outlook on life. Because we’ve been taught to be pessimistic. We’ve been taught to be cynical, um, because we, we reward that as critical thinking, right?
And that’s only to a certain extent. And it’s a way of also coping. with trauma and surviving, right? As people who come from BIPOC or just like underprivileged, you know, communities. And so how do you go back? It’s like, you have to get honest about what’s the truth behind that narrative that I’ve convinced myself to be.
My story, how much of that is my story or was it like a story that was projected onto me as a generational cycle or like a limiting belief that my mom or my dad had, right. Or that a teacher inflicted on you at an early age in third grade. And you know, you know, and you started believing that, right. So what do you think about that?
Jasmin: do I think about the limiting beliefs? Yeah. The limiting beliefs.
Erika: Yeah. Like how that’s like a core. Yeah. Core root, right? Cause it’s
Jasmin: essentially like the story that you’re, your limiting beliefs are the story that you’re telling yourself and the story you’re telling yourself are the book that you’re reading.
Right? So why don’t you rewrite the story and tell yourself a better story so that you could take yourself on a different adventure.
Erika: And another thing is like in terms of manifesting, how can we start becoming like conscious intentional manifestors? Cause we’re manifesting every second. every second every single day. So how do we become more intentional? There’s no such thing as perfecting the art of manifestation. You’re never going to be a perfect manifester because at the end of the day, there are external things that, you know, energy is always changing.
It’s transient, right? You’re co creating with a lot of variables in life, but it has. Also, my recommendation is right, because when you manifest, you need to place an emphasis on the lower chakras, the root chakra, the sacral chakra, the solar plexus chakras, which are the main chakras that we use to navigate this existence, this simulation.
So going back to these factors of you know, survival mode. So how are you still repeating survival pattern, especially as an entrepreneur, especially as an entrepreneur or people who are single mothers who have three kids or people who have to work two jobs to survive because of inflation. So when we’re in that survival mode, we’re in a limiting belief consciousness.
We’ve lowered our frequency. So therefore we’re not able to really expand our consciousness into higher realms because we’re in tunnel vision, survive, survive, survive, survive. So that’s when we may not be manifesting to our fullest ability. Right. You want to manifest money. And then maybe it’s like, Oh, you get a 50 check in the mail, but you really wanted to manifest like, you know, a bigger annual income.
Right. So it’s like going back to where are moments where you can create more rest. How can you start getting yourself outta survival mode? There are people who think, oh, well I gotta work two jobs in order to make, you know, a living. And it’s like, no, you’re addicted to that survival mode. You’re addicted to operating in that energy of stress and anxiety.
You can lag yourself a really one job. That’s fabulous pain, right? That can supersede the two jobs you’re working. Right. So it’s like, again, that limiting belief of how we’ve convinced ourself, I have to work really hard. Money is hard. Life is hard, right? So it’s like creating moments where we can step outside of that narrative and pull ourselves out so we can start receiving more in the divine feminine energy.
Ooh, can we talk about
Jasmin: the divine feminine energy? So as you know, I am a business owner. We’ve known each other for years at this point. And I, because I come from the tech industry, because I come from a family where I have a father and a brother, I’ve just, I think I’ve always been conditioned to be in my masculine.
Even when I look at my mom, my mom’s always been a hustler. She’s always been a doer. And as I. started my business. I feel entrepreneurship is pretty masculine, but it also requires some, some femininity. So I feel like I’m in a phase where I’m stepping more into my feminine energy. And had you told me I was going to do this a few years ago, I would be like, why?
No way. So can you talk about the power of feminine energy? Obviously for creation, we need both, right? So we do need, we all need to have masculine and feminine energy, but a lot of times there could be an imbalance. So can you talk about what feminine energy is and why it’s important?
Erika: Yes. So, okay. The balance of the masculine and the feminine, those are, you know, we’re not talking about specific, like, You know, cisgender, like identification with genders, we’re talking about laws of the universe.
There are elemental laws of the universe, which are feminine energy, masculine energy. And no matter what you identify gender wise, you have both, you have masculine within you to create feminine within you to create. So the differentiation is especially when it comes to manifesting Erica, is you can manifest from two forms.
In this consciousness, you manifest either from the ego or you manifest from the soul. Both are valid, right? The masculine energy manifests from the ego. The one that we’re taught to do here that we’re really used to because of the patriarchy, because of western society, because we’ve conditioned, right, on this earth that that to be the majority.
Right. The majority group think everything has to operate from ego, particularly distorted ego, because there can be healthy ego. Then there’s manifesting from the soul, which is manifesting from the feminine energy, which is more of the art of operating from the heart chakra. When you’re manifesting from the ego, you can attain and you can accomplish a lot, but you’re always going to be wanting.
more. You’re always going to be saying, what’s next? That’s how you can tell. Am I operating more from ego as opposed to my defined divine feminine, which is in gratitude, right? Saying that what I have now is so amazing. I manifested this huge accomplishment, right? And I’m sitting in that frequency of like, this is abundance instead of already externally looking outward for what is next.
I’m unfulfilled. So that’s why we say it’s the art of receptivity. You know, if you have a problem with allowing yourself to receive, receive compliments, right, receive money. If your friend wants to, you know, treat you to coffee, you know, I got it. You know, people used to always be like, Oh, I love your hair.
And I used to always self deprecate. Yeah, it’s nice. But, you know, my, my ends are split or, oh, my hair is so thin, right. I didn’t allow myself to receive. So it’s little things like that. Yeah, about the divine feminine. You know, instead of rejecting and pushing,
Jasmin: okay, what are you thinking? And you know what’s so crazy?
That culturally, we’re almost taught to not receive, right? Because we look at it as this humble thing. It’s like, oh no, like, don’t let people pay for you. Don’t receive the compliments. Be humble. But that’s almost teaching us to block off femininity and like the
Erika: feminine energy. Exactly, exactly. And it’s creating this poverty aspect on femininity.
It’s just another way of suppressing the divine feminine archetype in the conscious collective. And I think a lot of that even shows up in spirituality as a spiritualist, as a spiritual practitioner, you know, the old world thinking is you, if you do. spiritual work. You have to be super, super humble. You have to do a free labor.
And it’s like, you know, like, and people write the minute you’re like, well, I’m a human being living this human existence and I have responsibilities and I don’t do this work for free. People still have a hard time adjusting and they’re still rejecting the feminine energy by saying, well, no, that should be cheap labor or it should be free labor when you work with the spiritualist, right?
It’s overpriced, right? So you see how like, it’s just so ingrained in us.
Jasmin: Wow, you know, yes. And earlier we were talking about like numerology and how this stuff is really empowering and almost so it was removed. And as you were talking about that, I was like, wow, like there’s There’s almost this shame around spirituality and being connected, but there’s almost, there’s also shame around sensuality and sexuality, which is also something that religion has deprived us of.
I don’t know how I jumped here, but I was like, yeah, well, the root cause of all this is, or the thing that connects it is shame, right? Shame around practicing spirituality in a way that looks different than what the church has you do. And then shame around pleasure. Which is receiving. Maybe that’s why I went to it.
Erika: Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I use that analogy like, it’s so, it’s so interesting to me how, it’s fascinating how we’re taught to jump into bed with other people and be intimate. But, No matter how uncomfortable or awkward like no matter how much like we self deprecate our bodies, right? Oh, I’m imperfect and we shame ourselves, right?
But I’ll still go and be intimate and have you know sex with this person But then when it comes to the act of being intimate and self pleasure with yourself, oh Forget that right like that is like cringe, right? That takes a lot of like right when it should be the opposite It should be that at an early age we should be taught to self explore and love our bodies in that sort of sexual way, right, before we start entrusting someone else with that responsibility and that gift.
you know, you mentioned also sensuality and, I wanted to share, like, that’s a really, it’s a religious archetype to shame or sexuality. Um, but it’s also very Western centric. I know we’re kind of breaking away from that now in mainstream. But if you look at other older religions or other older societies, especially Eastern practices, especially Hindu, like Hindu Indian practices.
I mean, they created the Tantra, right? Like they and a lot of their gods and goddesses, um, explore and talk about very openly about sexual power. You know, and about, so it’s not even shame because they understand that sexuality and sensuality are both very powerful forms of, of manifesting, but like also the experience, the human experience.
And pleasure is shamed a lot. It’s weird because like they want us to get addicted to like these really shallow forms of pleasure. But whenever it comes to like us finding our light, our light and self and self advocating, right. And finding self sovereignty, right. And finding pleasure and beyond the journey of an entrepreneur or making money for ourselves, it’s like how you get shut down right away, you know.
Yeah. It’s, it’s, it’s a lot. It’s, it’s wild. Like, it’s just so fascinating. It’s fascinating. It’s, it’s, it’s, it’s fascinating. You know, I don’t want to make it seem like, Oh my God. Like, you know, so it’s just like, Saying the world sucks. No, that’s not true. Just saying, like, you just have to have awareness, right?
The awareness is really helpful in how you navigate.
Jasmin: what are you into now? What is, like, are you learning something new? What’s been piquing your curiosity and interest lately?
Erika: So, what’s been piquing my curiosity is actually, I’ve been researching to go back and Dance. So growing up, I used to dance ballet folklórico. And so I’m looking for an adult team. And I also want to start learning how to dance folk Peruvian dances. So I’m really into body movement right now. My body and my spirit, it’s like we need to move and we want it.
It’s not about like, Oh, working out. Pumping the muscles is more, but I want to do it for the dance because dance is storytelling. Oh, I’ve
Jasmin: never heard that. That dance is storytelling. That’s beautiful. I’ve been feeling pulled to dance as well, mainly like salsa and bachata is what I’ve been doing. Yes.
You’ve been going? I am. Yeah, I am. I’m going tonight and I’ve been going by myself, which I really like as well.
there’s a few things happening. I think one, it’s obviously I’m following when I’m dancing, so I’m not leading, meaning it’s typically a guy follow, that’s leading.
So I. And the feedback that I’ve gotten is stop trying to lead or stop trying to guess feel it in your body get out of your head. And I, I am, I have, you know, when I was younger, I remember I loved dancing, but my parents were so busy taking my brother to soccer practice that I never was put on a dance team.
And I was never put on a soccer team or anything like that because my parents were just busy with my brother. So. Um, now that I’m older, it’s almost like I’m re like I’m almost nurturing my inner child where it’s like we could go dance, we could go do boxing, we could do whatever we want now and it’s been so liberating but I feel like the, the, the salsa and bachata one I’m following so it’s allowing me to be led.
Um, which has been hard for me to, to do, but then secondly, it requires so much hip movement as well. It’s almost like I’m reconnecting to like my sacral chakra and reconnecting to my sensuality and finding my own rhythm. So yes, I’m very in alignment with you. And then I also had a dream the other day.
That was like, we need to dance more, but not structured dance. So like maybe doing ecstatic dance or doing just dancing on my own, I think. So I’m going to explore that as well.
Erika: I’m so proud of you. Oh my God. That is amazing. I’m so proud of you. Ecstatic dance takes also a lot of courage. Just be like, you know, cause we get so dancing, we get.
That’s one of the common things you’ll notice, Erica, that people don’t like to do because they think they have to perfect it, right? Or do it right. So it’s like, it’s a vulnerability to dance and you get in your head, like, yeah, it looks silly. I’m going to look stupid. Right. So ecstatic dance takes that to a whole nother level of like, I’m just going to show up and embody right.
And this is going to look, however, it’s going to look to people, but like you said, you’re feeling it
so Peruvian culture also has Folklore, but it’s not like the ballet folklorico, they have different traditional folk dances. Um, so it’s, it’s again, folk dances. You’ll find that a lot across through Latina, Latin America, Latina cultures, because it was a form of also the Spaniards coming and using colonial influence, right?
Cause you know, when you think of Spain, you think of the flamenco dancers, right? That’s folk dancing. And so then it was integrated and merged with other cultures. So, yeah, I want to do the, I actually just came across a Peruvian dance company last night in LA. Yeah. So I was like,
I was thinking, I was like, cause I want to do events, like obviously not like, you know, Competitive dancing, but you know, you can, your groups can sometimes go to like for Cinco de Mayo and do something or whatever, Dia de Muertos. So I want to do that. I want to be, I want to like work my way up obviously to, cause they got to like approve you to be like, all right, you’re going to perform, you know, they don’t just let anybody willy nilly because you’re just like messing up the whole group’s flow, you know?
Jasmin: Is there anything I didn’t ask you that you’d want to share?
Erika: Well, I think from an entrepreneurial perspective, Um, one thing that I’ve been coming across a lot in the collective is, noticing there’s an emphasis from people like not knowing how to transition because as an entrepreneur, you keep growing and evolving in your craft in your business, whether that’s your shifting services, you’re adding to a service Because, you know, you’ve grown so much from that wisdom that, you know, how now to provide your community with something more of depth or more leverage from the culmination of those experiences as, you know, as you data mine.
Right. So I think like, I’m interested to hear your perspective. Like, I think sharing how entrepreneurs who maybe have been doing this for like three years or 10 years, like, how do we pivot, how do we allow ourselves to transform? Cause a lot of times, like what I’ve noticed in my journey is like, I’ve had to let things go.
Like at one point I wanted to hoard and hold on to every skill and every service I had. It’s like, you can’t do that. That’s not healthy, you know, because you have such an affinity for like, well, I started off with this, right. With this product or with this service or with this ideology. And it’s like, if you hold on to that, then you’re only
Jasmin: blocking more of your abundance.
Right. We can’t hold on to everything. And the breath is such a great example of that. If all we did was inhale, inhale, inhale, we’d be dead, right? We can, we literally have to like exhale, inhale new air that that serves our body. And I think it’s the same with, with entrepreneurship and it’s so timely that you bring this up because I’m in the middle of a shift and I feel that entrepreneurship and life in general is a bunch of.
births and deaths, right? You’re just like dying and reborn. And I feel like I’m going through this cycle in my business where I let go of private one on one coaching. Now I just have group programs. And then now I’m even kind of shifting the way that I’m doing those. And now I’m like being called to be more into, I’m being called more into spirituality.
And I’m like, how do I integrate this if I don’t even know what I’m doing with it yet? So I think it’s, um, So to answer your question, it’s inevitable, you’re going to grow and as somebody who worked in the tech, in the tech field for eight years, I know that technology changes so quickly and the people who don’t evolve are the people who don’t survive.
So if you’re resisting the change, you may stop growing, right? Where if you, if you kind of dive into the change, remember we were talking earlier, you can make a decision and then change your mind again. You can always bring back a service if you really need to. But can you build the courage to let it go?
And then bringing your, your, I feel like, especially you and I, as the entrepreneurs that we are, we have a community who follows us and. even just bringing the community along with us is going to help that transition.
Erika: Yeah. Yes. I love that. And just also a reminder, I guess, or a thought as I reflected is, um, to make sure like when you’re shifting and you’re expanding and when you’re pivoting, like just make sure you’re not doing it just to jump on trends. Like, then it’s going to fall flat, right? It has to be something that just feels like a genuine, like I’ve grown into this.
I’m not going to do it just because it’s what the algorithm wants
Jasmin: So even just asking yourself that question, where is this coming from?
Because as I heard you discuss that, uh, or explain that to us, I was like, Oh, that’s why I had a successful career in tech because I was manifesting for my ego. But now this business was manifested for my soul because I was willing to make no money from it because I wanted to do it so
Yes. And that’s what a life purpose is. When people are like, what’s my life’s calling my life purpose? And you know, and you and I can help them like deep down inside your soul knows that. Right. And it’s that thing that you are so adamantly in love with that you want to do, right? That you’re like, I don’t even care to make money off of this because it brings me joy or I just feel fulfilled or I feel like I’m really fucking good at this.
Right. And I feel the most confident ever in my life. Yeah.
Jasmin: it doesn’t have to be a, your full time thing. It can start off as a side hustle, which is exactly how mine started and I’m sure yours did as well.
Erika: Yeah. for like, you know, Three years just about and then even then when I tried to go solo, I I say that in quotations, right?
Because like, I love failure. I’m not afraid to fail. I failed three times. I had to go back to like getting a corporate job or like, you know, doing some sort of freelancing with corporate, you know, so I can sustain, you know, so that’s another thing, like, don’t be embarrassed of your journey, if anything, that makes you more intriguing, um, and more insatiable to people, like, you know, because then they find you.
Inspiring. You don’t have to be cookie coater picture perfect and be like, I left my job and in a year I had a hundred thousand. It’s like, no, if anything, that’s going to fall flat. People are going to be like, you’re full of yourself. You know, and if that was your story, that was your story. But like also people want to invest in understanding what your struggles were because at the end of the day, we do have this human curiosity about struggles.
Because it’s part of the journey. Yeah. The polarity. Yes. The light, the dark. It is. So fun. I love entrepreneurship. It’s wild. It really is, but it’s a joy. I would not want to go back to working for someone else
Jasmin: I agree. I was texting my friend the other day and I was like, I thought about quitting again today, but then I thought about going back to tech and then I was like, nope, I’m not quitting.
Erika: So I’m not the only one who has those, like those thoughts when you get tempted and you’re like, I’m kidding. Hell no. Nice try. Bye. Nice try, Mind.
Jasmin: Exactly. Mm, you’re one of the fast ones. So, just a question for you. Yeah. If people, obviously, I mean, I know people have enjoyed this podcast episode, because I’ve enjoyed being, like, later viewing you and just having this conversation.
So let’s say that people are like, okay, I’m really drawn to this. I love this conversation. And there may be not very in touch with spirituality, but they’re spiritually curious. What advice would you give people like that? And what would you say are the first steps
Erika: that people can take?
Yeah. Yeah. So the first steps I would say to explain your spirituality is, um, learn. across the board and allow yourself to be influenced by different cultures and even different religions, right? Whether it’s Hinduism or it’s paganism. Um, because I think that spirituality should be a mixture of a lot of different things you gravitate to.
It’s not just like, Oh, I’m just a brouhaha and I’m just witchcraft. So I’m just like Mesoamerican witchcraft. It’s like, no, my witchcraft has a lot of different influences. Right. And so I think allow yourself the ability to be an open practice. And explore, you know, what vibes with you from certain cultures, certain religions.
Again, don’t misappropriate, right? We don’t want to do cultural appropriation. But there’s a way to apply that when, when you feel fond, fondness of it. And find and invest in teachers. Mentors in those cultures to give back, especially indigenous cultures while you explore your spirituality. Um, but aside from that, I would also encourage people to start reconnecting with their ancestry.
And the first step is just like, do a DNA test, do a 23andMe, do an ancestry DNA because that’s going to help you start going back to your roots. And where your family came from and then research that region, research that land. Who are the people that walk that land? What are the customs there? What are the type of foods, right?
Start with food. Food helps you really open up your spirituality down to making those dishes. Right. And then you start tapping into your ancestors. You feel their presence there when you’re making your enchiladas, right. Or whatever that is from your Pueblo. So I would encourage you to start doing ancestral work.
You don’t need to know who was your great, great, great, great, great grandpa, you know, and none of you don’t need to get that far just yet. Just start reconnecting with your origin of roots. And from there, Erica, it just starts, you know, how it is. It just starts unfolding on its own. You don’t even have to ask, right.
The messages and the synchronicities are like, boom, boom, boom, boom. Right. Your spear guys and your ancestors like, yes, here you go.
Jasmin: Yeah, and obviously people can work with you, right? So I’m part of your Patreon. What else, like, what other services do you offer and where can people find you? Yeah,
Erika: so you
can find me on Instagram, Esoteric Essa, and my website is souluminati. com. It’s a play on the Illuminati, but you’re operating from the soul. It’s not. It’s not evil. Um, and the services I would recommend are, I think astrology and doing your natal chart is really fun because we can activate the ancestors.
So we can look at ancestral, right? Uh, gifts in those charts. We can learn a lot also about your cosmic DNA. And understanding because basically your astro chart is your soul blueprint of what you want to learn, what you want to outgrow, what you want to achieve, you know, and it’s kind of like, I don’t want to say it’s a cheat sheet, but it’s like the map you’re in the jungle, right?
But now you have the map to navigate the jungle and, you know, Oh, stay away from there because there’s the Jaguars and stay away from there because there’s the howler monkeys. So it’s like, I think astrology is a great tool that we don’t talk about. Um, It’s more of like a vein, like right now we talk about it from like a vanity perspective, right?
Which is fine, but I think there is a lot of depth to astrology that can help you tap into soul patterns.
yeah,I’m so happy. We finally got to connect. I love your podcast. I’m so proud of you. And, um, you know, I’ve been hoping and wishing I was like, Oh, she better bring me onto this podcast.
She better bring me on. And here we are. And I’m just so grateful because I know that podcasts are there are babies.
Jasmin: I feel like you’ve, you’ve kind of just been like one of the support systems behind the scene. And as I mentioned, like you’ve helped me navigate really difficult decisions when I almost moved across the country and have had to like break things off.
And you’ve just been such a great. support system and just, I mean, the act of you helping me feel safe to reconnect with spirituality that in itself, it’s invaluable. So I just, I’m so glad that we did cross paths.
Erika: Oh, I love you. I am too. And I know that’s So many people say so many beautiful things about you back, Erica, you know, I know people who’ve worked with you and they have nothing but beautiful things to say about your spirit.
And I love that you’re empowering other women. And, um, this is a time I just want to get on my soapbox real quick as women and as femmes and as queer people. And, you know, people who are part of the LGBTQ community, you know, we have to support each other and lift each other up because, um. That’s the only way we’re going to advance in the spaces that we need to advance in and be seen and Especially, you know the patriarchy really attacks women and femmes and queer people So, you know, let’s let’s just continue the message that we’re allies, you know Let’s support each other if you know get let’s get over our egos if we can bring someone up with us, you know let’s do that because holding space together Is really powerful.
And if we don’t take each other seriously, then how do you expect other communities to take us seriously? You know, so, and I know we’re already doing that. We’re already doing that. But I just want to remind everybody because the astrology over the next two years is going to be really intense. Well, we’re going to be really tested as, as a community, especially as women, we’re already seeing that happen with our reproductive rights trying to be taken away.
The queer community being attacked by politics, you know, so we have to continue advocating for each other and our equal rights, you know, and remember that we are allies in this journey and together we can. make waves and we can make an impact and don’t let anybody believe that you’re not here for a reason.
Everybody matters. Everybody has a story. I don’t care if you know where you work at or what level you’re at, if you’re entry level, if you’re trying to go back to college in your forties, your story matters and follow that path. You’re doing it for a reason. And we need you, we need you here. We need you to show up.
So don’t give up.
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