Welcome to the Ch*ngona Revolution Podcast’s 100th episode!!! I am so grateful that I’ve been able to make 100 episodes for you all and I am so proud of the friends I have made along the way. While recording these episodes and working through the Courage Driven Latina program, I met this week’s amazing guests, Liz Fernandez and Mariela De La Mora. 

Liz Fernandez is a Therapist turned Multi-6 figure Identity & Business coach. She is the founder of Aligned Coaching AND the Podcast host of Latina CEO Identity. She helps Latinas become 9-5 optional by helping them start and grow their coaching businesses and start booking their first 4-figure clients.

Mariela elevates WOC into in-demand thought leaders who make more money by being who they are, but louder. Through her unique blend of marketing, mindset, and leadership coaching, her clients turning what they used to get in trouble for, into their competitive advantage. As the eldest daughter of Mexican immigrants who left a 16-year Marketing career, Mariela has broken out of every conventional box so she could help other daughters of immigrants do the same. She has since built a 3/4 of a million dollar business as a single mom, and worked with 6-7 figure CEOs, and even women leaders in the United Nations.

Liz, Mariela, and I have the most amazing friendship. As friends, we are always there for each other and lift each other up. And as colleagues, we share insights, tips, and resources on how to make it as an entrepreneur. Our friendship has only grown stronger over the years and in this week’s episode, we are going to tell you why cultivating life-changing friendships is essential to becoming a more courageous person. 

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Connect with Liz:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lifewithhliz/ 

Website: Aligned Coaching

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Connect with Mariela:
Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/mariela.delamora
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/marieladelamora

Website: http://www.marieladelamora.com

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Episode Transcript:

Erika: Hello and welcome to Ch*ngona Revolution Podcast, the 100th episode. I cannot believe that we are at 100 episodes. It feels like just yesterday that I kicked off this podcast. Sometimes I still feel like I don’t really know what I’m doing just to really normalize what it’s like to actually podcast. And I don’t even think I’ve announced this or like shared this.

But we are at over a hundred thousand downloads. We are at the moment at a hundred and ten thousand downloads so far at the time of recording. And in order to celebrate this and celebrate this episode and this milestone. I figured there was no better way than to bring on two of my incredible friends that have been a part of this journey from the beginning and have been just like the most incredible support system.

Y’all, our WhatsApp group chat could literally be a podcast on its own. So I just want to let you all know that you’re probably going to see these two. Pretty often on this podcast, I think we should continue to do this, like maybe quarterly check-ins on like, what’s been going on in the group chat? What can we talk about?

What are the themes that are coming up? And both of these incredible individuals, actually at the time of this being released, One of them has already been on the podcast and the other one will be on very soon. Liz Fernandez, welcome back to the podcast. Can you please introduce yourself for the few people who may not know you?

I feel like everybody knows you. 

Liz: Hello. Thank you so much for having me, love. I am so excited. This episode is long overdue. My name is Liz Fernandez. I am a business coach for therapists and coaches, and I help therapists and coaches double their income. As coaches. And so I’m super excited to be here and just for you all to hear a little bit more about what our friendship looks like behind the scenes and all the conversations we usually have.

And so I’m super excited. 

Erika: Amazing. And the other incredible guest is Mariela de la Mora. Mariela, please introduce yourself. 

Mariela: Hi. Oh my Mariela De La Mora. I am a leadership coach for first-gen and for women of color, and I help them become in-demand thought leaders. I also work with women in corporate, as a leadership coach.

And, yeah, it’s just been such a journey that you all have like been a part of. And I think like, I don’t even want to think about like, what would it be like? so I feel like just, this is like so important, like just the realities of doing things that scare you. 

Erika: Yes. And having a supportive community with you while you do it.

And interestingly enough, yesterday or a couple of days ago, it’s my coaching was my coaching day. And my mastermind was asking about community and how to find community. And it was so timely because you both had just left Long Beach where we had spent a long weekend together and it was such an incredible weekend.

And then my phone generated this video that was together over the years. And it showed us in 2021. 2022 and 2023. And I was like, Whoa. And I started looking at our photos. And we, the first photo was of us in Mexico City. And then we were, I think, in San Francisco, and then North Carolina, and then Puerto Rico, and then Long Beach, right?

So we’ve just been global. Like, this friendship is global, and I think it’s really important to note for the people listening, because a lot of people think that they have to have people in their city and in their community. in their direct radius in order to build community, but we’re evidence of like Liz has lived in Mexico City most of the time, right?

Mariela was in Portland and then in San Francisco and I’ve been living out of Airbnbs for who knows how long And this friendship has been surviving through our WhatsApp thread and then our occasional travels to meet one another So I think the first question that I have for you, too What does it feel like to see, and I actually think I’m going to answer this first, and then I’ll let you two answer it.

But what does it feel like to witness each other’s growth over the years? And so for me, I think it’s been so beautiful to watch each of you reinvent yourself. Many times, right? We have to constantly reinvent ourselves. But Liz, to watch you go from heartbreak to finding the love of your life, to completely pivoting what you were doing in your business.

I feel like I’m going to cry 

Mariela: already to 

Erika: like completely pivot what you’re doing in your business and change your focus and now engaged and living in Mexico city, when even just traveling to Mexico city, when we first met seemed so far. And Mariela for you. living in Portland, a single mom, really, like, and I say this with a lot of love.

I think when we first met, you were just Damn, like why was I dealt these cards and now it’s like, oh, these are my cards and I’m the boss. Like I’m the CEO of these cards and seeing you move back to the bay, take all of these incredible trips, become completely booked out. Start reclamation, your mastermind.

It’s been just such a beautiful journey. And that doesn’t mean that it’s easy, but it’s just been, oh, it fills my cup so much. So Mariela, we’ll start with you. What has your experience been like 

Mariela: watching Liz and I? Oh my gosh. I feel like there’s been so many moments like where I’ve been able to see like your higher self already.

And in moments that it was hard for me to see it for myself. So whenever, like. We would go through like moments of doubt around a launch. Like, you know, Erica, you might be like launching Courage Driven Latina. And it’s like, we all, you know, the fears of like people signed up and then it gets quiet and like, you already start to come conclusions in your mind around that, or even around, you know, dating and around where you’re going to live and around decisions that you’re making and kind of just knowing, like, I see you in a certain way.

It’s like, I see both of you in a certain way that I think like. We’re probably the last ones to see it. So I think the moment of like you, each of us realizing like, oh damn, like I really am that like, chick is so beautiful because I feel like, okay, well I knew that for like you guys. But to have your friends like hold space for that until you kind of catch up, is always a beautiful thing.

And it’s such a reminder to me as well to be like, well, where are you all seeing me in a way that I don’t see myself? And I think just that has helped me feel safer to like, step forward because I feel like I believe you both. Like I know, like we’ve witnessed each other and not just in like the highlights.

and like Liz, I think about like times where you’ve, you know, been making decisions and you’re like, okay, is this the right thing to do? And then where you’ve had to like trust yourself because it’s been a very ungrounded year. Like you’ve been moving, you’ve been doing like a lot of brave stuff, like things that people do across years you’ve done in like.

an expedited timeline, and so whenever doubts would come up around something you’ve done before, I’m just like, of course, Liz is gonna figure this out. Like, you’ve done way harder stuff, and then when you do, I’m just like, it’s like a, it’s like a proud, like, sister moment, I guess. So that’s just been, for me, the thing that Like stood out the most is like, I love cheering you guys on.

And then watching you guys like witness yourselves, the way that I see you. Beautiful. That is so beautiful. 

Erika: And I want to quickly point out that we are all different ages. We all have different living circumstances. We all have different goals, but yet with the aligned values that we have, we are. Yeah, we just support each other so well, right?

So like a friend doesn’t have to be in your exact same shoes or even have the same goals as you to support you. And I think we’re all evidence of that. Liz, what about you? What has your experience been like watching Mariela and I over the last I love, 

Liz: I love what you just mentioned and I just want to add to what you said before I answer the question because I think it is really important to highlight that Mariela, like you’re a mother, right?

Erica and I are not at that stage of our lives yet. Like I’m engaged, Erica, like you’re dating, you’re doing all of these amazing things in your career. And so it is important to realize that. That like, we all bring such a beautiful, unique essence to our friendship. And it’s so beautiful because each of us like compliment each other in such different ways.

And I just kind of wanted to really highlight that because I do think that sometimes we feel that like, we have to be very similar to the person that like is our friend. Right. And that’s not the, that’s not the. Case at all and so to answer your question It’s been such a beautiful journey and i’ll start with Erika and I actually met through a hashtag y’all like When we started our businesses like that’s how long it goes, but we didn’t actually have a friendship We had just a connection because we were both starting our businesses literally a month apart from each other We had no idea who We were like outside of like that hashtag that said, you know, coaching for Latinas.

And when I came across you, Erica, I remember thinking, wow, there’s somebody else doing what I want, like what I’m doing, what I’m like thinking I’m going to be doing because I had just started. And so to see your growth from starting and, you know, starting your business, starting Courage Driven Latina.

Purpose-driven Latina at the time, and just see how you’ve grown not only in business, but in life and with your like you being so in touch with your femininity as well, because that’s been a huge part of your journey as well now with you having magnetic mastermind and you know, all of these amazing brand partnerships that you do.

And so. being a part of that journey of that celebration has been so beautiful to witness. I’ve seen you grow in such a beautiful way. And you’ve just you’ve always like led with courage. You’ve always like, you know, leading with courage is always such a big part of your essence. And so you’ve helped.

Us both like really lead with that as well And so it’s just been so beautiful to see you expand grow Take up on take up space on spaces bigger and bigger every single time and stages bigger and bigger every single time And so it’s been really freaking beautiful And Mariela like we connected like it was so funny how we hadn’t even met each other like in real like in person And the first day that we met each other we’re like, hey, why don’t we go to Mexico City together, right?

And Like that shows true friendship. Like we, we didn’t even know what, what traveling together would look like. And after nothing, we were like, you know what, we’re going to go on that trip. We made it happen. Erica came, she freaking flew from Hawaii to meet us. Like it was wild. And so to think of Mariela, the conversations that we were having around that time.

And I just remember. At the time, y’all like we didn’t even know what our businesses were going to look like we were growing them and we had been in them, but we were figuring out how to trust ourselves and Mariela seeing you and the way that you like just believed in that higher version of you that you were working so hard to become and the way that you’ve so gracefully, you know, showed up in every single part of your life.

including motherhood, including parenting, including friendship. And like the way that you always like never fail to check in on us. And like you, the way that you grow your business, the way you care about your clients, just your whole evolution and seeing you grow, to like launching your mastermind, launching your podcast.

That was a huge vision for you as well at that time. Like it’s all coming to fruition and we are evolving and change, changing every couple of months and being a part of those celebrations has been so freaking beautiful. 

Erika: Let’s go back to that Mexico city trip. I feel like that Mexico city trip was pivotal and a lot of decisions were made just by being in each other’s energy.

I remember that was when Mariela decided she was going to start a group. Right? And this is the trip that Liz met the love of her life, but also just decided to step into this new identity. And… I don’t even know what happened for me, but I just remember that we were then all in Mexico City again and we were like, wow, it’s been a little bit over a year because the first time we went was February and then the second time we went was the following year in March.

So it’d been a little bit over a year and I remember us cheering with champagne on Mariela’s deck on her little rooftop thing. And we were like, wow, how much has changed in just 13 months? And we were, yeah. And you know, we don’t see the progress as we’re day to day, but when you look back you’re like, wow, that is tremendous growth.

I don’t know if you have anything to say about that, but, whoever wants to speak

Liz: Absolutely. So, something that really just, Really shook me in that moment was realizing that all the worries that we were worried about in that first trip, all the things that were consuming us, all the fears we had, all the doubt. just like the complexities of life. I mean, I literally was going through a freaking crazy ass heartbreak like.

Five ending a five-year relationship. I was super heartbroken. I didn’t want to go on that trip because I was like i’m gonna be the Party pooper of the trip like I’m gonna be crying all the time And I just don’t want to bring that energy right to the room And I remember erica thinking like we’re gonna make this happen, you know It’s gonna be fine even if we cry together and like We’re still going to go on this trip.

And so I ended up getting on that flight and just to think, you know, all those things we were worried about in that we’re consuming us at that time and noticing how, even in that second trip, so much that can, let’s put a coupon line in this in bonuses was not the case anymore. Like we had. overcome it and i think something we realized that was key in that trip was realizing there’s always going to be things that are worrying us that feel like they’re these big huge things that like create so much like false urgency on having to resolve but the truth is that we always figure it out like we always figure it out and Even when things feel like, you know, they’re not happening for us, they really are.

And they were things that were getting out of our way so that we could step into the highest self. And it’s wild just to look back on, on that, right? Because it was such confirmation of like, look, the things we were worried about at the time. Like, I know something that stands out is like, I remember Mariela and I wanted to increase our prices for like one of our offers.

And we were like, but can we do it? Like what, what’s going to happen? Like, is it, would it work? Right and then noticing the following year how we were like wait Mariela now has a mastermind like now We have like where there’s all these now I have a podcast right now Erica has a podcast like it’s things we used to visualize and dream of and It just was such a beautiful confirmation that we always figure things out and it was such a beautiful thing to highlight from those two trips, 

Erika: yes, oh my gosh, and Mariela, I want to hear what you have to say, but I’m starting to feel like Mexico City around February and March is just going to be our 

Mariela: thing.

Mariela, what do you have to say?

so yeah, I just remember that trip kind of like a big part of I think what changed was like the way that I saw myself because I think I don’t know if it was just like self-doubt or like unsure about the future. And then I think I just remember, but part of me knew like, Hey, we should do like a, we should do like a photo shoot.

Cause I remember the photo shoot that we did was very much like. We want to like remember this even though it was weird because I didn’t have like, I didn’t have like a reason I was just like, I think we should just do this. I feel like it’s going to be a celebration. I also hadn’t ever been to Mexico properly.

So this was like my first time there. And I think at the time I was just following these nudges. So I remember. With the first trip, I just invited myself, like with a trip that didn’t exist. And I remember telling Liz, like laughing to just be like, Hey, I see you’re in Mexico city. This was in 2021. like, the next time you go, I want to go with you.

Can I come with you? And just like how that I knew in advance like it was going to be something. And at the time I remember both of you being like, you wanted to start a podcast. Like you were already like planning it, Erica. I remember that trip too. You were like, who am I? Like, I just came from Hawaii and I.

packed bathing suits, and you still had sand in your bag. And I remember you kind of having this realization of like, wait, I don’t know why I haven’t like traveled more. Like I have the freedom to do it. So I think you were realizing that and Liz, you were like, you know, really, you know, finding yourself like after this breakup.

And I think we very much were like, this doesn’t need to be anything like, we just want to be together. And there was just a lot of like, kind of realizing like, who do I want to be? And I think on the second trip, like, I thought about the things we had celebrated in between, because to me, Champagne, I really think about, like, what are the things we’re toasting, and sometimes we’ll say things out loud, and I’m like, damn, like, Erica, you had done, like, a keynote, like, you had done the storytelling for, like, We All Grow, and, You’d like taken up these big stages and you had been, you know, traveling and I was super scared about even raising my prices on the first trip and Liz coached me into doing it.

And then I had like a sold-out mastermind that never even had to launch. I also thought about things like the first trip, like we all stayed together and the second trip it was just like, Oh, we just stayed in different units in the same building. Like we were neighbors and like toasting on the champagne and like I went and I got my first designer bag where I would never.

ever in my life think I’m going to go get a designer bag because I don’t need it, you know? And so I just felt like that trip, it just felt like so elevated. And like, I was like, we’re just being like, we’re living our best, like bougie lives. we’re celebrating each other. And that just blew my mind.

Like how different like our circumstances were. And again, like, yes, the things that we were worried about were really different, but it just felt like a 

Erika: huge celebration. Yes. Oh, I’m so glad you brought up the designer bag moment because that sounds like. quote unquote materialistic, but I think it’s just a perfect example of the safe space we create within our friendship to allow ourselves to be the highest version of ourselves, to allow ourselves to receive, to, it’s almost a friendship that reminds you’re worthy of whatever it is that you want, and I never feel ashamed for coming to the friendship and telling you I have a goal to start an app for Latinas, or I have a goal to have my own, Oracle deck, my card deck.

And I want it to be sold at Target. Like if I say this to you all, or I want to write a book and I can tell you all my biggest dreams, and I know that you’re never going to, you’re never going to shame me for it, al contrario, you’re going to be like. Hell yeah. I already see it for you. And I think that’s what’s so beautiful about this space, but just like we can dream big with one another, we can also be at the lowest of our lows, right?

Like I considered being in an open relationship, and I’ve never shared this before, and you two were the ones that I came to and there was no judgment there, even though that is not something that you. even considered. long story short, it didn’t work out, but I tried. So, yeah, like how do you two feel about the safety and the vulnerability that exists in this container of our friendship?

Mariela: I always say that like our WhatsApp thread is like the one place that I don’t have to pretend or give a coached answer because I think in everything else, the default is Looking on the bright side, looking at my higher self-thoughts, looking at the coach coaching thoughts, and we don’t use it like I don’t think any of us use it as like a just dumping everything and not processing it, but it’s like the one place that we can admit some of the things that maybe we wouldn’t somewhere else.

and I’m not. Like, there have been times I’m like in the middle of leaving a voice note, like my voice cracks and I’m crying and I didn’t expect to cry and I don’t feel ashamed. Like, I think in a lot of other places, I think like, oh my god, por qué estoy llorando? Like, you know, get it together. But I don’t ever feel like that.

I never feel like I’m taking up too much space. I never feel like I’m asking for too much. I don’t, like, I love receiving your voice notes and like supporting one another. Spawn, like it’s a podcast, like I, and that means a lot for me being the eldest daughter, me being, you know, a single parent and coming from relationships that were very much like gaslighting and you know, one-sided, like that is huge for me.

And I, I think that on its own, sometimes like saying something out loud to you guys is like what allows me to validate myself, that on its own has just been amazing because I don’t easily feel safe. You know, but I’ve never ever doubted. It was almost like the level of trust and like safety was there from like the very beginning.

And I think it’s because of how all of us show up to be honest, because all of us were very raw and open. Like, we all were in a, in the same mastermind. And I just remember being like, Where else have I like been in a room where like me and Erica would both be on the same call getting coached and crying about something?

And I was just like, instantly I felt like I, I can trust, you know, these are women that I like, I can trust because we’re so in touch with, like, we’re not afraid to be vulnerable.

Liz: I, I love this so much. And I, and I. I want to say that there’s so much safety that I experience in our friendship. but I also think we, we provide a lot of permission, even with the, you know, designer bag example that we were talking about earlier.

We give ourselves a lot of permission to be bougie and to like have these experiences. Like it’s important for like those of you that are listening to also have context, right? Like, Yes, we went to go get this bag and we treat ourselves to these experiences in our friendship. but, you know, there are things that we were doing for the first time.

Like we had never given ourselves permission to do those things. And so that is like tied into the safety that I feel in this friendship. Like I can see how. Not only can we celebrate our wins and not necessarily feel like we are dimming our own light, right, when we are celebrating, like, each other. If anything, I really value that in our friendship we see each other’s wins and celebrations as something that is possible for ourselves as well.

And so I do think it’s important for, like, the listeners to really… Take that in right because just like erica and mariela were mentioning right like we share and celebrate like all the wins but then there’s also like all the freaking lows like I think we’ve seen each other at our lowest like I wanted to build, like, burn my business to the ground, and I didn’t even know who I was, right?

And Mariela and Erica reminded me and held that higher version of me always, no matter what, while also gracefully, like, validating my, like, my experience at the time in many freaking times because, like, they’ve shared, right, our WhatsApp messaging thread is literally like a podcast. And so I, I really value the safety, the vulnerability that we bring.

The way that we truly genuinely see each other is such a beautiful part of our friendship because it’s true Like we don’t find this safety and even with Erica what you were mentioning right like the fact that you considered an open relationship and how in our friendship We allow ourselves to change our freaking mind and we’re not gonna judge each other for you know feeling one way one day and then another one the next day and Like it’s part of the healing process, but I also think it’s important to note that we’re also continuously doing this work Like we are we all have therapists we have the same one all of us so it’s beautiful actually if you haven’t tried that we recommend it because It’s beautiful to come back to the thread and be like y’all this is what I like this is a breakthrough I had in therapy and You don’t normally share these things with people, and so it’s so nice to unpack it further, and it just allows us to see each other as like, in this multidimensional way.

And so, I just, I think that’s also another component that just helps us build so much safety in our 

Erika: friendship. Exactly, yes. And, okay, Liz, you just mentioned, Okay, there’s a few things I want to go back to, but I want to start off with what you mentioned about us all having the same therapist. I almost feel like being in a mastermind together and then having the same therapist has given us all language to be able to communicate on another level.

And this is what happens when friends join group programs together, right? So the episode for Chingona Revolution that’s coming out, not tomorrow, but the following Tuesday. It is actually an interview with two sisters who are inside of Courage Driven Latina together and just how being in that container allows them to use language and the tools that they’ve learned there and be able to support one another with further growth.

And I think that’s what’s happened with us where we’ve been in the same containers. And then we now have this language that we can utilize to support one another. When, if you, if we were never in the same container, that would have been pretty difficult to do. And then you also, Liz, mentioned how we’re able to celebrate each other’s growth.

And just a couple of days ago, or three days ago, when the last night that we were here, we were talking out by the fire, here at the apartment that I’m in, and I had mentioned that watching Liz get engaged never was triggering for me, and it never was feel, it never felt like, Oh, that’s not something I can have.

Or now that she’s engaged, I can’t get engaged. I think the opposite happened for Mariela and I, we were so happy for you because we were like, damn, this is just evidence that it can happen for us as well. And even if it didn’t, like, I think we would still be extremely happy for you. And that is a sign of such a healthy and loving.

Friendship, because this could also happen when one person has a sold out launch. Right. Or like when I get a massive speaking engagement or a Maria last recent speaking engagement, one of a, like, we could look at it from this perspective of. Oh damn, if she’s winning, then I’m not, which is at the core, just scarcity mindset.

But I think what helps this friendship be such a healthy friendship is that we’re, we’ve, we’re all doing healing work. We all know that this is an abundant world and there’s an abundance of clients and an abundance of opportunity. And we’ve all shared clients, right? That’s huge. Like we’ve all shared clients, people that I’ve worked with Liz and then come work with me, people that have worked with me and then go work with Mariela and vice versa.

But I think. And even if like at the beginning, it was maybe like, Oh, damn, does that mean I’m not a good coach? Now we’re at this place where we’re like, no, we’re helping people. We’re changing lives together and really being able to change that narrative. So what has both of your experiences been like in this friendship where we’re able to celebrate each other?

and help each other almost gain clarity on what it is that we want to do because of each other’s experience instead of looking at it as competition. 

Mariela: Yeah. I think that’s huge because it’s something that I hear about. And I personally experienced a lot, like with having a business where I felt like now all of a sudden I have this huge inner world, like in my mind, like there could be so many different things going on, but.

It started to, it starts to feel sometimes like with in a way like your old life, like before you kind of grew or like awoke and started asking yourself these deeper questions that you may have certain friends who can relate to you in a certain version of you and there’s nothing wrong with that, but they may only know you as a former coworker or as a cousin or as you know, the person that you were in college.

And I think the beautiful thing about our friendship is like, because we each are like pursuing like our own growth, we see the different size of ourselves. So like sometimes I’m coming to the table and I’m like, I’m being hella triggered by my ex-husband, you know, and in stuff with my daughter, like literally Saturday morning, we were all together in Long Beach and Erica, you walked out of the bedroom and I was like, Should I hold back my tears?

Or should I just tell you what’s going on? And I was like, okay, I can bring this up the same way that I can talk about single parent struggles, launch in business stuff. I can talk about, you know, things with parents. And that’s a really rare thing that I’m so freaking grateful for because I feel like.

You guys see the different parts of me, whereas like not everybody does. and I think that’s because each of us are also, you know, on those kind of like journeys for ourselves too. So it just feels like my inner world isn’t lonely and I think otherwise it would feel a lot more lonely.

Liz: I love this question so much. The first thing that comes to mind is just how inspired I feel when I’m like with you both. I really genuinely believe that when we’re together, we really step into our highest selves. It’s like, it’s an out-of-body experience that you really can’t Describe, but to your question, Erica, I really love how inspired I am by both of you in, you know, the things that you are all are doing, I think, even in those moments where, you know, I am probably experiencing like all the self-doubt.

And then I see you all do incredible things like I love when you both share that with me because it just inspires me to look at like, wow, this is what’s possible. And this right now that I’m experiencing. Experiencing is a little moment that doesn’t define like what I’m going to create who I’m going to help in.

And I really love that you both inspire me in such different ways. going to your point right of like how do we, how is it that we celebrate each other? And we also how is it that we celebrate each other but also especially when we have shared clients and we are like 

working on different things in our businesses. I’m just super inspired by what you both are creating and doing, and it always reminds me of really stepping into my higher self, and so I view it as inspiration rather than, you know, competition, and I do think that anytime anyone is triggered in any single way, I do think it’s important that we check in or with we check in with ourselves because it’s A lot of the times when we are feeling triggered, it’s because we are wanting to do something that someone else is doing that we haven’t had the courage to do.

And so I, I love that question because I do think that when we lean inward rather than like shame ourselves for, you know, what we’re experiencing in that moment, we actually get so much more clarity and we can help, it can help us grow.

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Mariela: I also feel like we allow ourselves and we expect ourselves to be reinvented. So like there have been definitely like, this is something that I know, or at least I’ve heard is like hard for women in friendship sometimes is that the feeling almost of that they have to do something more in order to qualify to be friends with someone.

And they’ll sort of either like, I don’t know, sell themselves short or just feel like they compare. And it’s like almost put themselves at levels. And Like I can say just from us being friends for years now that there, you know, have been times where like I had thoughts because I was like, well, I don’t, I’m not as in advanced as advanced in like business and the certain thing.

And I don’t have a group program yet and I don’t have this yet. And it’s just like, I think that part of my own healing journey too, has just been like, we’re all going to have different things that we’re good at and different strengths, but like. It never has felt like a hierarchy. And I think sometimes we put ourselves in that hierarchy and discount ourselves and think about like, who would be friends with us because we have to be like exactly the same across all levels.

And because that’s like, not the case now. It’s like, I think about, you know, even with relationships, like Liz, you’re engaged. You weren’t. Before you were in a relationship, I’ve been single for years and struggling to date, but you guys are able to hold space for me there. Erica, I’m super inspired by the way that you choose yourself and advocate for yourself.

So I feel like the differences are actually like what gives me permission. Rather than being like, we all have to be at the same level in every stage of life in order to be friends. Yeah. 

Erika: Yeah. And I think it helps with our growth, right? Because When, like, for example, Liz, you’re going to a speaking engagement and you came to us and you were like, okay, you two have spoken more than I have.

And then anytime that we, I have a question about relationships, I come to you. I’m like, what do you do here? Right. And we can go to one another because. there’s, we’re going to have different stages of our lives when we are launching a group or maybe doing one on one or maybe going through a life transition and chances are one of us has already gone through it.

So then we get to support one another. It’s almost like our past experiences and our past mistakes or lessons, not just for the person, but for the group as well. And that’s really beautiful. 

Mariela: Yes, absolutely. I love that. You said that. 

Liz: I love that. You said that to Erica because it’s in some examples. I just want to point out some examples, right?

Like when I Erica, you launch your podcast first, then I launched it. And then when Mariela was launching it, we gave her so much feedback, right? Or like when I was hiring my first OBM and you had already worked with an OBM before an online business manager, right? Like, and we like support each other there when one has, Yes.

It’s pivoted over to creating a mastermind, you know, the other one is working towards that as well. And so there are so many business things that like we like our friendship has already like surpassed in different ways. And so using each other as a resource as well. That’s also another clear like example that we don’t gatekeep in our friendship and I do think it’s important to name that right like anytime like I one of my biggest dreams I’m going to speak into existence is to have friend partnerships and I have no freaking clue how to do that or how to attract it and so Erika does and Erika has never in like ever made me feel like ashamed or like turned me away in any way if anything I’m like hey love do you have a quick two minute call like available.

And she’s like, yeah, call me. I, they FaceTime her. She’s walking Paloma and she’s like, what’s up? Yes. Tell them this. Tell them that make sure you look over for this. Right. And so I just want to highlight those examples because they are important for you all to see that like, we don’t keep gatekeeping our friendship for thinking, you know, like, Oh, what if she gets more than I do?

And now she’s trying to do what I’m doing or anything like that. We are very open to supporting each other and to see each other win. 

Erika: Yes, and you mentioned Paloma right now, and I was actually thinking of an example of where you two are just so supportive. Actually, I can now think of two. I locked us out of our Airbnb in North Carolina because I, it was one of those keypad things, but I locked the actual knob.

With, I just kind of twisted the lock because I was just trying to be secure, but then there we were at 11 PM locked out of our Airbnb and it was just getting colder and colder. And it was a very stupid, like, just, you know, a very simple mistake, but any other group could have been like, Oh, like, this is so unfortunate, but no, we were all like, we went into problem solving and nobody shamed me for it at all.

And I was like, damn, this is what it is. And I was shaming myself. And YouTube pulled me out of it and I was beating myself up because I had done that. And then just a couple nights ago on Monday night when, I’m so glad that Liz and RC stayed a little bit longer in Long Beach, but I kept telling them about this Mediterranean restaurant.

So I had hyped it up. So finally we’re going to this Mediterranean restaurant in Long Beach and, we get up to the restaurant and they were closing at seven and they had no tables available outside. And I had my dog. And again, I was starting to kind of shame myself with like, damn. Like, maybe I should just go put Paloma back inside of the apartment, even though she, like, chewed things up because she has anxiety here and she, this isn’t her home.

But, you all never made me feel ashamed for, like, me bringing my dog everywhere that we went because she had such bad anxiety. But it ended up being… This beautiful evening where, yeah, we didn’t sit at the restaurant, but we ended up coming back to the common space in the apartment and we sat at a beautiful picnic table with lights around us and then went to the fire and had wine and then somebody said something to me that triggered me and then I was safe enough to like, cry about it and process it with you all.

And then we went into the movie theater inside of the building and then played Scrabble and like I had already gone through it. And it’s just like that evening in itself just demonstrates the amazing friendship of I was not shamed because I had to bring my dog everywhere. And I understand how inconvenient that is.

And you never judged me. You never made me feel bad. And then too, like, yeah, we couldn’t even get a table inside the restaurant because I had the dog with me. But then it ended up being this beautiful evening that we couldn’t have planned better. And it was just such an example of. of our friendship and I just love you both so much.

So thank you for 

Mariela: that. We love you. We never have to perform. This is the thing is like in a world where we, especially as daughters of immigrants are like, we have to perform. We have to be useful. We have to not have needs. Like it’s like I, And that’s why it’s so funny like whenever anything will come up where you’re like shaming yourself or we’ll all do it, right?

It’s almost like with everything in me. I’m like, don’t you dare ever think that but I don’t we don’t say it like that But it’s like it’s a joy like I think about supporting you all as much as you support like me. It’s like it’s a freaking joy And I honestly, in a way, I’m like, I don’t even care where we eat.

Like, as long as we’re together, this is not so cheesy, but I was like, it ended up being even more fun than we could have imagined. But like, I’m just, I don’t mind, like, even when we were locked out of the apartment that day, I remember being like, I’m actually like grateful for the memories because we were in the garage, walked through the garage trying to get into the house.

And I remember there were moments where Liz or someone was like taking their hair. pins out. Someone else was going on YouTube trying to figure out how to pick a lock. Someone else was Googling who is awake at this hour and will help us get into this house when we can’t prove that we’re the homeowner.

There was someone up, someone else like walking down the back thing, like, is there an open window? And I was like, honestly, I’m freaking grateful for like all of those memories because I’m just like, look at us, look at three friends who are entrepreneurs who are like relentless. And I was like, damn, I would, if there was like a zombie attack, like, I feel like we would figure stuff out and that doesn’t happen from everybody performing and trying to like be their best selves and not have needs and not have things go wrong because you can’t have a friendship if you’re not being your real self.

If you have to put on a hat, you know, to be a different person, like you’re not really letting your friends in. So I’m grateful for moments of us getting locked out of our apartment. Cause that’s a really funny story. And it showed me like how we get. Shit done and support each other as friends, no matter what.

Liz: Oh my God. I love this so much. I’m over here crying, laughing at the same time. but crying of emotional, being emotional because it just, you all painted such a beautiful picture of our friendship, right? And something that came to my mind with what you both shared was. Overall, our friendship has taught me how to receive.

And I think this is the first time I’m actually bringing that to, like, saying it out loud. I think I’m just, in this moment it happened, where I’m realizing our friendship really helped me learn how to receive. And it makes me emotional to think about because, actually, I don’t think Erica you know this, but I had therapy on Tuesday.

And, The moment where we were at the fire pit in Long Beach really came up for me where I was sharing about a moment in which I, this is how deep our friendship is y’all, out of nowhere we just start talking about moments in which we’ve been, you know, we’ve experienced discrimination. And I shared with Erica an example, a story of when I was migrating with the seasons.

For those of you that don’t know, I’m a daughter of farm working parents. And so I used to migrate with the seasons following the strawberry season. Growing up and I used to be a new student at school every single time. And so I shared with Erica, Mariela, and Arcee You know how a teacher had told me, you know, the reason why I don’t call on you is because you know You’d never have anything important to say and in that moment I had told that story before a million times but in that moment Erica just was so taken back by hearing that right and she got really emotional And she was like, I’m so sorry, you know, I’m so sorry you had to, you experienced that.

I want to give little Liz a hug. And I felt it for the first time in my body that I healed in that moment. I finally felt seen and I actually brought it up to therapy. And I was like, wow, like I’m realizing through this moment that I feel very uncomfortable with receiving and like, because I, or with even feeling seen because I’ve never felt seen my whole upbringing.

And so it’s, it was interesting to realize that. And I share that example because it’s so important, especially if you are an eldest daughter, especially if you’re a daughter of immigrants and you’re so used to being the helper and the giver in your, you know, in your environment and your dynamics at home, it’s so beautiful to experience a friendship where you are also able.

It’s so beautiful. not only the giver, but you also let yourself receive without feeling guilty for it. And so our friendship has really taught me how to receive from all types of angles and all the different ways. And 

Erika: if you are watching the video version of this 

Mariela: and you are watching Mariela and I wipe our tears from the moment that Liz started sharing this 

Erika: story.

Oh man. Whew. Thank you for sharing that Liz. 

Mariela: I feel like in moments like that, I just feel Like it lets you love another person deeper when you understand like what shaped them because I feel like in that moment, I was like, Oh my gosh, like this, like how brave everything that you’ve done like really is when that was your, you know, When that was like such a like profound experience and I think to be able to like bring that and like say it out loud it’s like it almost lets me like see you and like admire you even more and that requires vulnerability like and I know that you know receiving in a way like it can feel really vulnerable but I just wanted to say that I’m like being able to share those things like helps you love a person that couldn’t agree more and just admire like what they’ve been through and all of those things and it’s also just part of like You Giving ourselves permission to like bring those to the table too because we all have like our stuff and I feel like that’s part of What kind of like adds context and like why I think we celebrate each other so hard because it isn’t like we just bring our business Selves to the table It’s like we’re able to see the things that we’ve done and been like damn and you’ve been through this and I know This was hard for you And you know all these things that like other people maybe just see the win But they don’t see the journey and like how hard that was but we see it 

Erika: Beautiful.

Okay, so we have about 10 minutes left of recording time, and I wanted to pull some cards for you both, which I will do, but before I do that, I figured I could just pass the baton. Do either of you have a question for the group?

Liz: what allowed you each to let yourselves be? Seen in this friendship, for example, I’m thinking about Mariela inviting herself to Mexico City and the trip, right? Like that was a beautiful moment that we would never do that. Like I think like I never want to inconvenience people That’s something that’s something I always think about and consider like the people pleaser that’s healing in me And so what helped you both?

Really just like take the lead sometimes in our friendship and take that initiative I thought 

Mariela: about this before because I, sometimes I wonder like how in the world did I do that because you both know that the way that I am in like dating is a very different. I’m very protective. I am very like scanning for danger, like don’t want to take up space, like all these things.

and it’s not that I’ve always been this way in friendships. I think that I really look at like, I don’t even know that I was actively thinking this, but I think I saw you both as like these very like, warm, like open giving, like people who were just Like, I never anticipated that I would ever, like, be judged, so I didn’t feel like it wasn’t accessible, you know?

And so I think that, like, you showed up, like, we show up, like, the friendships that we want to attract, and I think, without realizing it, like, I saw you were showing up, like, the friendships that I wanted to attract because it was something that was in me. Because a lot of the, even, like, in our conversation today, the things that we admire about each other are also things that we bring.

as well, you know? And so I think that’s what it is. Like, I never felt like it wasn’t going to be received well. And so I think that’s really what it is. whereas like in other places of my life, that hasn’t always been easy, but I just, it’s weird because there was such a level of comfort, but it was because of who you were.

Like, I just remember our early conversations and I was just like, there was nothing about that ever made me feel like I couldn’t 

Erika: be who I was. Yes, I would agree with everything that Mariela said. I think What made me feel so safe in this friendship was the way that you two showed up to get coached and how you both led with such vulnerability.

It gave me the permission to also be vulnerable. And then I feel that, well, the Mexico city trip, the first one is what kicked off the group chat. And I, when I remember I was like talking myself out of going to Mexico city because I was already in Hawaii for my nephew’s fifth birthday. And I was like, this is too much.

I shouldn’t be doing this. And then I had also just gone through a breakup of a very long. on and off unhealthy relationship. And it was a very controlling relationship that didn’t allow me to wear certain things or go certain places or act a certain way. And it was really just a relationship that made me really dim my light.

And I think as almost. An act of reclaiming my power to use Maria last word. it, I was like, why not go to Mexico city? Like, why am I stopping myself? there’s nobody stopping me. It’s just me stopping myself. And when I went, I remember the last day in Hawaii, my family and I had a conversation that.

And my dad came up and the whole flight, like I, from Hawaii to Mexico city, like I couldn’t sleep even though it was an overnight flight and I was exhausted. And when I landed in Mexico city and you two came up to that restaurant and I was able to tell you all, like, what was going on with my dad and I, you two just like held space for me.

In a way that had never been held for me before. And I think from that moment, I was like, these are the sisters I never had. Because I don’t have any sisters, right? I have an older brother who like, we have a big age difference, we’re different personality types. And honestly, this guy comes up in therapy so much, like he doesn’t realize like some of the harm that he caused.

and I love my brother, but like, he also just hurt people. And I feel like you two helped me just feel like. There was nothing wrong with me.

Mariela: That just makes my heart so warm. 

Liz: Thank you for sharing, both of you. Thank you for sharing because it is a beautiful, they’re beautiful examples of, you know, how sometimes in order for us to cultivate these friendships, we have to be willing to let our guard down and be vulnerable and let ourselves be seen.

And the reason why, what inspired this question was because I know that a lot of the clients I work with, you know, Like see us and I’m sure your clients as well and you all are so inspired by our friendship and I hope that you know through these stories that we told you all today you see that like how dimensional it is and that yes we can experience all the desires of like having a solid friendship that is loyal that celebrates you that doesn’t give you negativity and all of the things or projects onto you right but there’s also it requires a level of vulnerability And a level of you being willing to be seen and so thank you both for sharing that.

because for me, you know, I think I, I think something that had really helped me was just seeing you both show up and lead and like be so. open to just holding space, right? That I was like, I’ve never experienced this in a friendship. I’m usually the one that is always, you know, holding that space for others.

And that was like, what opened up that portal. And so just for the sake of time, that, that is what I will say. because I know Erica, you want to pull, you’re going to be pulling some cards, but I. I’m just really grateful that we’re having this conversation because I do think it’s going to help so many of you feel seen and see that, like, these friendships are possible, but they also require intentionality.

I won’t say work because it never feels hard ever. It just, it’s intentionality. 

Erika: Oh, so beautiful. Mariela, did you have a question for us or should we move to pulling cards?

Mariela: I think the one thing that just came to mind, this could be like a quick question was like, what is. a brave thing you’ve seen one of us do that, like, gave you permission because immediately I think with both of you, like, Liz, you being willing to, like, open yourself up to love again at a time that you had every reason to protect yourself, because that’s where I am.

Is like, I see that as like the bravest thing in the world. And then I see like what you’ve done since then and what you’ve created and how it wasn’t easy. Like it wasn’t easy. Right. Has to me, I see that as like the bravest thing ever. And Erica, in you dating and when you kind of share stories with us and you’ll say things and I’m like, I feel like I could never say that.

Like I would soften it up or I would want to avoid it. Or I wouldn’t want to tell myself that it’s okay. Like you just have this way of like, you just really like. Advocate for yourself and in a way that like I really look up to so I would say like I really admire both of you in just like that’s how your courage has shown up to me.

So that’s what I will say is, you know, in what ways have you seen courage or permission kind of be given. 

Erika: Geez, so many ways. Liz for you. I think moving to Mexico City. Like, yeah, it has, it’s very similar to what Mariela just said, but for you to pretty much like sell some of your stuff, put stuff in storage and just get up and go with so much uncertainty.

And even whenever you left your job without, like, you really risked it, right? Like, the way I left my job was different because I had been in that job for a long time. I had, like, almost a year worth of savings. Like, you, just the trust you’ve had in yourself has been really admirable. And for Mariela, oh man, so many, right?

So many.

 I think you’ve been brave so many times in your life. Like, you’ve walked away from so many things that don’t serve you. From the, your marriage that was, there was infidelity to, like, everything that you do is for Pi, for your daughter. And I’ve said this to you before, where as a projector, I think it’s so, it just, it’s almost healing for me to watch you mother Pi.

Because you’re taking into consideration, you know more about her personality than like she’s even aware of right now and you’re adapting your motherhood to that. I just feel like there’s bravery in all of your story, but to summarize, cause I just said like a bunch of different things. I think, yeah, walking away from the things that didn’t serve you and allowing yourself, you get those like future memories.

Following those, the way that you can just follow your intuition when there’s no clear path laid out for you, that, that just says courage more than anything.

I love that you 

Liz: said that. You all took everything that I wanted to say, but I’m going to emphasize it. I, Mariela, you are brave every single day, every single moment of the day. Like, how you parent Pi is extraordinary, the way that you lead in your business, the way that you hold space for clients, the work that you do is extraordinary, and you really are, like, we don’t say that lightly, you are taking, like, you’re taking Brave freaking action every second of the day with everything that you do.

And I know that it doesn’t feel this way for you every single day, every single second, but you do it in such a graceful way and it’s just so inspiring and Erica for you, just. Watching you reclaim your femininity and your sexuality and like the way that you are so unapologetic about stating how you really truly feel and not saying things because you feel like you have to, I admire so much, you know, the courage and the bravery that you take on for saying things that maybe once upon a time you wouldn’t have said to a man because you wanted to protect his ego and you didn’t want them to be mad at you.

And so, Thank you. There’s so many things, so many brave things that you will all each do each day, but those are two of the things that just stand out so much to me that inspire me so much. 

Erika: Oh, beautiful. I love that question. Thank you, Mariela. All right. Who wants cards 

Mariela: pulled?

I was going to say, who wants to go first? 

Liz: I know I do. Go ahead, Mariela, if you’re ready. 

Mariela: If you have your question, go ahead. Because I need to sit on it. 

Liz: I’m thinking of what I want guidance on. I know we did this over the weekend, and so it was really powerful, but it’ll be, let me see, what do I want guidance 

Erika: on?

Mariela: I think I know mine. Go ahead, Mariela. I’m just thinking about it, because me and Erica were walking back to the WeWork, A couple days ago and I was like, I think I want to ask the cards so that it, for context, I’ve been asking, we’ve been asking the cards for, guidance around me dating and whether I should wait.

And all of the feedback has been no, like, don’t wait, just like go now. And that the work is in, doing the thing that scares me. So, I wanted to just ask the cards, like. In terms of like, what I do next, because I think I was like, I don’t know that I feel like I want to be on, like, is it dating apps?

Maybe that, I don’t know if that’s the question. It’s just like, what guidance do they have around actions? 

Erika: Okay, perfect. What guidance? Do Mariela’s guides, ancestors, and the cards have around the actions that can be taken. Alright, I’m pulling from two different decks, so I’m doing the animal power deck as well as the writer tarot deck, which is like the traditional tarot deck.

Mariela: We’ll 

Erika: take one card from this deck. I’m just shuffling. Okay. Alright, you got two cards of each, so they both flew out. So those are your cards, let me read them.

Okay, so for the animal power deck, the first card you got was spider create magic. And what I see here is I mean, before I even read the description of this card already, there is the web, which reminds me a lot of community, right? A lot of community. Spider represents femininity. So what this is telling me is like, you should step into your femininity.

Like, the guidance is for you to lean into your feminine, because that is how you’re going to make space for… The partner that you’re looking for that we know based on our conversations that I know is going to be in more of his masculine and for those of you listening, this doesn’t have anything to do with gender.

It actually just has to do like, we both need feminine and masculine energy and we both, we all have both. Even men have feminine energy, women have masculine energy, but in order to create, we need to have a balance of both. And if, in relationships, typically one person takes the lead with feminine energy and the other one takes the lead with masculine energy.

Feminine is about being, receiving, mindfulness, while the masculine energy is about doing, action, decisiveness. So I think just because you’re so in your masculine in your business and as being a mother, a single mother and being a leader in the community in your relationship, it’s asking you to lean into femininity because that’s the place where you do get to receive.

And,Okay. Spider appears to help you. We’ve magic consider the intricacy and beauty of a spider web, a shimmery world on its own, right? what magical world awaits you? Spider appears to share that a new possibility for your life awaits.

Mariela: Take a 

Erika: moment now, take a moment now to close your eyes and see or feel how a unique new web of magic is opening up for you at this time. What opportunity can you step into? What idea? What idea that you’ve had feels ready to be expressed to the world, even if I’m like looking at your reaction, even if the magical possibilities presenting seem unfathomable or too good to be true or surprisingly or surprising in some way, trust that you can allow the new medicine opening up for you to be tested and experienced one step one thread at a time.

Go for it. 

Mariela: I that is still very aligned with like the tested and in practice that this is going to be created, this love, this man is gonna be like, it’s gonna have to be in practice. I’m not just gonna like, find the perfect person, and that it’s ready to be expressed. Okay. Okay. I’m gonna sit on that, but it supports 

Erika: the rest.

I think I know what, yes. And then I’m actually just gonna read one in one card so we could get to everything.

Mariela: The cards do not lie, y’all. 

Erika: You got the King of Pentacles. In the tarot deck, and this card represents abundance, it represents, wealth, but it also represents a mature, grounded male who is successful, a wealthy businessman. it’s like, not necessarily like a huge risk taker, but more groundedness, like supportive, dependable, encouraging, careful lawyer, provider, This is your man.

Mariela: That’s what I’ve said that I wanted. I said, I didn’t want, you said this, Erica, you said in a relationship, one person is the kite and one person is like the rock and I’m like the kite. So like, I need that groundedness. So that is like spot on. Oh my gosh. This is what a lot, we do this a lot when we get together, 

Erika: y’all.

Liz. Yes. 

Liz: Okay. I have my question ready. I am over here just like smiling. My, my cheeks are hurting because I love this so much for you, Maria. I’m so excited. Okay. So my question is, what guidance do my ancestors and lineage have for me in terms of being more visible? As you all know, I’m practicing being comfortable, being visible, especially on stages.

And so I would love some guidance on that.

Erika: Alright. So,

I’m trying to see what’s coming to me intuitively before I actually read the description. But you got kangaroo and kangaroo says eliminate distraction and what I know about where you are right now with the constant moving and so many different things going on. There are a lot of distractions. There’s a lot of distractions in your home.

There’s a lot of distractions of things pulling you in different directions and you being a manifesting generator. I know this because we’re friends and obviously I’m into human design. You. are gravitating towards many things and trying to do many things at once, but I think this is one of the things where like eliminating distraction is going to benefit you.

And I’m going to read the description. And then you got the 10 of wands in the oracle deck. Okay, kangaroo.

I also think the kangaroo, just like the animal, like takes big leaps. And that’s what I see for you. Like taking big leaps. all right, I’m going to pee. Okay. I obviously don’t know my ABCs because I’m trying to find K.

Okay, found it. Kangaroo is known for its physical prowls and ability to connect with grounding energy of Earth to remain focused. Kangaroo appears to help you become more aware of the distractions you are allowing to take you out of your power. It’s time to get real with yourself and put an end to distractions.

Close your eyes and envision 

the distractions that keep you from making progress, then imagine yourself jumping past them as you take a powerful leap towards attaining your goal. Sometimes we add distractions or procrastinate to protect ourselves from potential failure or criticism, but you need to ask yourself what is more important, playing it safe or courageously going for the life of your dreams.

Oh, that was so good for you. 

Mariela: What do you, what do you think?

Liz: That was on point. I feel called out. Thank you, cards. Thank you, ancestors. Thank you, lineage. because it’s true. I am, I definitely have been feeling very scattered, very distracted. I’ve been feeling called to really grounding myself and spending more time in nature. I think that I’m like looking at all the things I have to do constantly in business and in life with me moving literally next.

week. I literally have a speaking engagement this weekend and then I move two days after that. And so, and then I go into a launch. So it does feel like they, it’s exactly what I needed to hear. I need to stop making, I need to stop procrastinating and start just taking bigger leaps. but I do think 

Erika: part of that is going to be me feeling grounded.

So amazing. And then the 10 of wands. This is what you got for the tarot cards and wands represent like emotion and spirituality, I want to say, based on what our therapist told us, if I remember correctly, but what I see here is, almost overloaded like a lot and weight on shoulders. And I think based on what I know about where you are right now, you have been taking on a lot between moving and then all of the different things that you have going on.

So the main thing though about this card is that Like, you still get to keep going though and it almost, this card reminds me of like, where’s the fun in your business or where’s the fun behind why you started this in the first place? Because this, he’s like very hardworking, right? I almost feels like you’ve reverted back to this narrative of like, you have to work hard in order to be successful.

And that narrative and like, yeah, it takes discipline and it takes work, but I think a lot of your energy has been focused on the things that need to get done rather than doing the things. So how can you like simplify what you’re doing so that you could keep going and just like the kangaroo said, like eliminate the distraction, like be really clear about what it is that you want to do and then have fun with it.

Liz: I love that so freaking much because it’s so true. I love what you said about, I’ve been focusing on what I need to do instead of. You know, having more fun with it. And I tend to be a man, masculine a lot. And so this just makes me feel so seen. 

Erika: You’re welcome. Amazing. I know that we’re over on time because, Mariela, you have a coaching call and I think you do too, Liz, and I need to get to the airport.

So this 

Mariela: is our lives. 

Erika: This is really what it’s like. Thank you both so, so much for coming onto the show. I’m sure we’ll do this again very soon. Maybe we come with like a little, maybe we come up with like a little series, right? Where like we come and talk about specific topics that have come up in our WhatsApp chat.

Liz, Mariela, thank you so, so much. So, we’re going to put down below all of your links, like your website, your socials. is there anything else that you’d like to say before I let you go?

Mariela: Just that I’m just so grateful for you both and I love you and you’re my chosen. You’re like my chosen sisters on top of the two sisters that I have. 

Liz: I love you both so much. Thank you Erica for hosting us. This was so fun. talk, speaking about fun, this was so fun. I’m so grateful for you both and you all are like the sisters I never 

Mariela: had because I don’t have.

I 

Erika: will talk to you all on WhatsApp and for all of you listening, if you took anything away. Tag us. Screenshot this episode. Tell us what you took away. And this is all possible for you as well. Okay. Thank you all. 

Mariela: Thank you.